A little something to DROOOL over.....,

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Hi,
My name is Rex and I am a wood junky!
Seriously, These 2 pieces are well..., y'all can be the judge! Let me know what y'all think, these don't need many words, other than naming the species.

The first 4 pics are Amboyna burl with a little sap wood, I LOVE the contrast and what figure!


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These 2 pics are of a piece of exquisite Desert Iron Wood, close to Exhibition grade, but I'm no expert on grading wood, I just know it is a beautiful piece of wood!
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Please, let me know what you think.
Thanks, Rex!!
 
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Am I way off base here and these blocks aren't drool worthy? I mean the Iron wood is the BEST I have ever had! Really would like some feedback, I guess if jealousy is the problem, I do understand that, since I have seen some many pieces that others have had and the Green Monster bit me! Rex
 
9" long block of Ironwood! I could turn this conversation "inappropriate" very easily, but shall refrain. :)

yep, That's some very nice Ironwood and I love the contrast in the first block as well!
 
LOL! No, those pieces look pretty sweet!! It's very difficult to get good pics of wood that truly show off the grain. Ironwood is hard for me to get pics of, it tends to wash out a lot if the grain is mostly the lighter coloring like the one you have is. Plus when it's shaped, the patterns really come to life!! Some guys get great pics of woods, but I haven't figured it out yet.

Those are some big chunks of wood, too!!


I just order some dyed/stabilized box elder, buckeye, and maple burl, all in blue, from Arizona Ironwood and also 2 blocks and 3 sets of scales of regular Ironwood. The blue looked good in the pics, can't wait to see it in real life, but it may be hard to get pics of because it is dark.
 
Thanks guys! I was beginning to wonder if what I was drooling over wasn't drool worthy!

Taz, as to where to find them, 1st I'd say Gilmer Wood, then I'd say Cook Woods, the both have excellent selections and quality. Then there is what i think is the best source to get the best quality AND price!
It is eBay! The thing to do is not get caught up in the pices that have a bidding war going on, there was a fairly large block dyed and stabilized by Stevens Studios, it was beautiful, double dyed (some sort of) burl, NO DOUBT about it, it was a stunning piece, BUT it ended up selling for $92.00! It was large enough to get 2 small handle for stick tang, or 1 large stick tang, the best way to get all you can out of any block is to cut it into slabs. I am working on stick tangs now, I suck at them, so that tells me I need to make more of them. If you got to eBay, find a seller named Islewoods, they are awesome, their shipping costs isn't great, because they are in Hawaii, I jus try to get more than one piece at a time.

You're going love the Box Elder, Buckeye speaks for itself! And if it is dyed, it will be stunning!
Hope this helps, Rex
 
9" long block of Ironwood! I could turn this conversation "inappropriate" very easily, but shall refrain. :)

yep, That's some very nice Ironwood and I love the contrast in the first block as well!

Brad, I took my mind out of the gutter once and got totally lost! I so know what you mean, afterall it is "REAL HARDWOOD"!!!
 
I've had good luck with Arizona Ironwood and also Its A Burl/BurlSales as well for some really gorgeous stuff. I also have 30# of dryed maple, spalted, curled, etc to send off for stabilizing soon; it should be under 10% moisture by now!!! Some going to K&G, some to WSSI.
 
I've had good luck with Arizona Ironwood and also Its A Burl/BurlSales as well for some really gorgeous stuff. I also have 30# of dryed maple, spalted, curled, etc to send off for stabilizing soon; it should be under 10% moisture by now!!! Some going to K&G, some to WSSI.

Taz,
From your experience, which is the most affordable? I "think" WSSI is arguably the best, even though I believe it was K&G who invented the process, I think, I'm not sure. I've got a PILE of wood that I need to send off to be stabilized. Since there is no way for them to predict the cost, it makes me a little uneasy to just send off a 100 pounds of wood not knowing what the actual cost will be. I have to say, that Pat at Ankrom Exotics stabilized some curly maple for me, and it came out beautiful, since it can't be colored or darkened after it's stabilized I had him dye it too, I think it was 10 blocks, and cost about $30.

It's a personal choice, but I like to support those that are active members here on KD, after meeting Pat w/ Ankrom Exotics at Blade 2 years ago, I sent some wood home with him, he's a super nice guy, and the turn around time was fast!

Oh, Pat says that he prefers the moisture content to be 8% or less, for best results.

Finding great pieces of wood is easy, you can go to Burl Source, Ankrom, K&G, all have great wood with good prices, but the pieces I want, I can't justify the expense. I don't charge enough for my knives, while I still want the prettiest wood and best materials. I've trying to come up with a formula to price my knives fairly, I'm not looking to get rich, I just want to make enough to cover the cost of materials, supplies and other expenses incurred making a knife, like electricity (HTing), tools that wear out or get worn all has to be factored into the price, saving any money on material that goes into a blade, is money made!

Sorry, I kinda started "type thinking", kinda like thinking out loud just with typing. I would love to hear who y'all think is the best for the money, I'll probably send Pat the bulk of my business, which goes back to suporting fellow Knife Dogs!! And his prices are fair, turn around time is good and his work is GREAT!
Thanks Dawgs, Rex
 
The stuff from Burl Sales is mostly K&G stabilized, so that is what I am most familiar with. Works nicely, pretty solid, but may not be as heavy as some WSSI stuff I have seen. This can make a difference for people, the WSSI stuff may be too heavy on a lightweight kitchen knife. I have seen some stuff from WSSI from a friend who locally does wood turnings to a sick degree and it is heavy dense stuff!!

Drool over some of this stuff!! He was gracious enough to have me over at his shop and show me some stuff and give me some tips!!! He was also the one to give me around 40# of wood (hard maple with various figures to it) to play with!!!
http://www.marknantz.com/

He uses WSSI almost exclusively and has been doing the turnings for over 20 years. He knew one of the guys who tried to stabilize stuff years ago and had some wood from over 25 years ago. I got to see one of the sticks, rock solid, looked like polished marble. He told me that they used to use radiation to cure the acrylics in the wood and the stabilizing came about when they were trying to stabilize flooring material IIRC. I think the guy who started a lot of it sold stuff under the Wild Woods name, which is some awesome stuff! I have a few pieces of it and it looks pretty close to the stuff from Arizona Ironwood. Mark also had several pieces from WSSI...very hard, dense, heavy and glossy looking. Some people don't like the WSSI because it looks and feel like it is plastic.

On Craigs ebay page, he talks about the stabilizing process and how he restabilizes it with epoxy once he gets the blocks in. Neat info!! He also tells of open cell and closed cell stabilizing, which is interesting to read up on!

I am sending out a small batch of maple (5-7# dry) to both K&G and WSSI to get it dyed dark blue (K&G) and clear and some blue from WSSI to bring out the contrast since the maple is fairly light in color. Some of the wood is spalted, some is curly, others have a weird grain pattern to them. I think I posted pics a while back? I may send out a batch to Pat now that you recommended them! Prob going to do some Green and Reddish Brown from him.

I have around 30# of wood to get done and I was told the wood may double or more in weight once it is stabilized. Mark at Burl Sales told me that the pieces shouldn't be more than 1.5" thick for stabilized, I think so the material gets fully penetrated. I have some big 2x2x8" chunks of maple I gotta clean up and then trim down, but I gotta clean them up to get a better idea of the grain and how I want to cut them up.

For polishing the stabilized stuff, get the Micro Mesh sandpaper. Goes up to 12000 grit (really a 4K-6K) that leaves no visible scratches. I've used it on stabilized woods and it looks like it was buffed and then waxed with just the sanded finish. Really nice stuff, but the sandpaper itself is kinda smelly. It works quickly, too and can be washed and reused. I go to 400 or 600 by hand and then work my way through the 1500-12K Micro Mesh grits. The abrasive is a bit different and works smoother than other sandpapers.
 
After looking at Mark Nantz's site, the workmanship is flawless but couldn't help noticing the awsome lumber that could have been knife handles. One track mind.

Rudy
 
Those are way to ugly for high quality craftsman as you to be putting on your blades. You really should send them my way, you know for I can practice and hone my skills!
Ha ha ha!

Martin
 
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing when I saw some of the blocks of Honduran rosewood burl and other stuff he had! Cocobolo burls, ironwood burls, big chunks of ambrosia burl, etc. Even his scraps are pretty sweet for burls for handles. With the turnings, if the figure isn't completely through the piece of wood, he either has to use it for something smaller or scrap it. He makes his own mosaic pins with gold and silver tubing, turns thin dowels from burl material, etc. Incredible to see the attention to detail on those pieces!!
 
Rex,
I have used K & G and WSSI both over the years. Mike at WSSI is a bit more expensive than K & G but WSSI end's up costing less.

Last couple of times that I have used K & G they didn't do any sanding after stabilizing and I must have lost at least 10% of returned weight for all the Acrylic I had to grind off just to get to the wood.

WSSI's process is never too heavy! The idea is to fill and make the wood, bone & horn as impervious to
water, shrinkage, cracking & warping etc as possible.

I will use WSSI for my summer batch headed out at the end of this month.

Cheers!

Laurence

www.rhinoknives.com/
 
Blue Burls!!

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Blue Burls!!

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Those are SICK!!! OK, where did you have them stabilized and how do you order them that way? It looks like Buckeye Burl, is that correct? I've been fooled before! Just beautiful!!!!

Those are the pieces that I tend to hold for that perfect knife...now if I can make THAT perfect knife!!!

Way to go TAZ! Rex
 
Double dyed burls?

Arizona Ironwood is where I got them!!! Box Elder burl, maple burl and buckeye burl.

I'm assuming you bought them already dyed and stabilized, I wanted to know how you would go about ordering the same kind of treatment for my own wood that I'm sending in. Is it double dyed, with the blue and the yellow, or is it that the yellow eyes won't absorb the dye? I think I'll still be going with Pat at Ankrom Exotics, he supports KD pretty good, and my last experience with him was great! My blocks came back with very little to sand off to get to the wood, his price wasn't bad at all. I'd say reasonable for dyed and stabilized Curly Maple. I know each wood will cost differenty based on how much of the chems, dye, etc they absorb that makes them heavier. Buckeye burl would probably be one of the more expensive woods to dye and stabilize, due to it's lack of density. I'm thinking curly maple would or should be one of the cheaper woods to treat.

This has been a great thread guys, and thanks for sharing the pics, that is some gorgeous wood!!! OK, that sounds a little off there, but I AM A WOOD JUNKIE, now to figure out the 12 steps to get this monkey off my back! My wife is always accusing me of looking at what she says is,"woodporn", and I'm almost always gulty!!!! Not ashamed of it either!!!

Thanks everyone for chiming in, I may break up what I'm going to send off, and compare the costs, turn around time, and quality between Ankrom, WSSI and maybe K&G, just to see how they all compare. Could be a neat experiment, IF I can afford it

I'm going to ask Pat if he will let me ship all I need satbilized, and let me "buy" or pay for it in smaller shipments, basically break it up over a period of time so I won't have a huge bill to pay all at once and all the wood I've been sitting on can get off the "need to be stabilized blist"!!!! If he is willing to do that, I most likely won't be doing the comparison test I mentioned.
Thanks again, Rex
 
They are single color dyed as far as I know. I gotta call them up and see who does it because it is beautiful! The eyes tend not to absorb the dyes as well and will often retain their natural colors, which gives it a 2 tone effect.

I will be sending 3 batches out once I get some money together, 3-5# dry batches to those 3 for dying/stabilizing so I can compare the three places. I have seen/used wssi and k&g and Ankroms stuff looks awesome, so I think I will like them all!
 
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