Thanks guys. I've been using the Hermes however they seem to load up very fast when used wet, but they will do one knife easily enough which I suppose is not really too costly. I may need to lower my expectations, lol. I have, and frequently use the Trizact belts however they do fall apart when wet. It takes a lot of time to wipe the blade dry between passes. Last time I ordered a Klingspore J-Flex they were back ordered so I will try that one soon.