Knife Making and Home Insurance Dilemma

I am an insurance professional. I can tell you one thing for certain - most agents do not know what they are selling you. Like it or now, it is up to you to read the policy before signing on the dotted line. Second, the job of underwriting departments is to limit exposure to risk- i.e. avoid claims if possible by not insuring situations that are prone to having claims. Most homeowners policies are just that-for homeowners. They are not designed or fit for a commercial user. The insurance companies know that there is a lot more risk involved (more financial liability) to a commercial entity. Now the dig comes when and who decides that there is a "business" involved. It is usually not that they wont insure you, but what type of policy and how much premium. We have a saying - "Stupidity is a covered peril." It may be "stupid" to accidentally set you house on fire when HT a blade if it is just a hobby, but if it were to be determined that you were operating a business, then you need a business policy. Most policies will plainly (sorta) spell this out as to what is excluded.
When you finally find a company that you think is right - do two things- absolutely neccesary: 1. get and read a policy -if you have trouble understanding it, get someone to help until you do. Even a lawyer if you can stand to be around one that long. It would be best if you could talk to an adjuster- they typically know what the policy says, agents usually dont. 2. find out how their claims are handled - do they have their own adjusters, use contract adjusters or have on-site adjusters period or do they do it over the phone/internet etc. You want company employee adjusters in my opinion. 3. ask for some references from claimants in the past - trust me, even if they give you the "best of the best" they will still tell you the truth about the claims process. If they refuse to give you that, then I would go somewhere else.
Definetely dont try to mislead anyone concerning your home policy - "application mis-representation" equals certain claim denial. Remember- it all comes out in a court of law....
 
I am an insurance professional. I can tell you one thing for certain - most agents do not know what they are selling you. Like it or now, it is up to you to read the policy before signing on the dotted line. Second, the job of underwriting departments is to limit exposure to risk- i.e. avoid claims if possible by not insuring situations that are prone to having claims. Most homeowners policies are just that-for homeowners. They are not designed or fit for a commercial user. The insurance companies know that there is a lot more risk involved (more financial liability) to a commercial entity. Now the dig comes when and who decides that there is a "business" involved. It is usually not that they wont insure you, but what type of policy and how much premium. We have a saying - "Stupidity is a covered peril." It may be "stupid" to accidentally set you house on fire when HT a blade if it is just a hobby, but if it were to be determined that you were operating a business, then you need a business policy. Most policies will plainly (sorta) spell this out as to what is excluded.
When you finally find a company that you think is right - do two things- absolutely neccesary: 1. get and read a policy -if you have trouble understanding it, get someone to help until you do. Even a lawyer if you can stand to be around one that long. It would be best if you could talk to an adjuster- they typically know what the policy says, agents usually dont. 2. find out how their claims are handled - do they have their own adjusters, use contract adjusters or have on-site adjusters period or do they do it over the phone/internet etc. You want company employee adjusters in my opinion. 3. ask for some references from claimants in the past - trust me, even if they give you the "best of the best" they will still tell you the truth about the claims process. If they refuse to give you that, then I would go somewhere else.
Definetely dont try to mislead anyone concerning your home policy - "application mis-representation" equals certain claim denial. Remember- it all comes out in a court of law....

Thank you for the good advice. Seems like getting a decent homeowner's policy is like trying to make your way through a minefield. I'm going to have to proceed with due caution.
 
The golden rule of dealing with insurance companies is "always pay on time and never put in a claim" Where we live now is zoned B2 commercial. My shop is detatched and the forge is behind the shop (gas) The tank is inclosed in a stainless steel cabinet with the forge on top. When I gave my ins. man a tour, he asked what I do, I said let me show you, and I pulled out the picture book. pictures of furnature, music boxes, jewelry, knives, and all kinds of wood doo-dads for the little lady. I had pictures of motors I have built, my jeep (frame off). anyway after about 15 minutes of me showing off his only question was do you have oxy/acet torches because you will need an add-on. I don't so no prob. But remember I live in florida where you can sell unregistered guns at your yard sale legally. If you go to any big town and find the biggest fanciest building and I'll bet its either a casino or an ins. bldg. either way its a crap shoot and the odds are with the house. Roy
 
Thanks for the reply, Roy. Prior to an inspector snooping around, if one even comes at all, I'll have to move my oxy/acetylene rig out into the shed. I put my Evenheat on a cart with wheels, and made an extension cord for it so now I can HT out in my driveway.
Hey, it is what it is. I'm not going to hide anything if an inspector comes around.
 
I lost my garage to FIRE back in 94 about 40g worth of tools /hunting /fishing and my tournament boat. Some bad ass kids thought its a good way to initiate new members by burning down garages. NEVER NEVER hide anything from insurance companys, show them and ask them questions to make it so you can leagally get insurance. Have fire extiguishers in sight and smoke detectors everywhere and this helps alot. I had some troubles with my carrier but that was only because the claim was so large with my contents. Kellyw
 
You aren't kidding about agents that know nothing!

We have a home based sign business and have a separate policy to cover the business. A few years ago we were changing companies and read the proposed policy. It excluded every thing that could ever go wrong. I couldn't believe they would offer something so worthless so I asked the agent to come over and explain the terms. He couldn't answer a single question! He got mad, ran out of the house, got in his red corvette and threw gravel all over escaping.

Ernie
 
Thank you for all the good information. Seems like you can't be too careful when it comes to finding good insurance.
 
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