Where to BUY fast Quench like Parks 50?

the dt 48 seems to work really well, when i was at tracys i bought some dont now what the rock is but i no longer need to quench 2 times it gets just has hard with a soak at 8 min then quench. so tracy if you carry ill buy.
 
yep its a fast quench. theres a couple threads on it art and test results. at a good price to if i might add.
 
After reading through this, what is the consensus about fast quench oils. Besides Parks 50, what are good options for 1095?
 
theWeatherman said:
After reading through this, what is the consensus about fast quench oils. Besides Parks 50, what are good options for 1095?
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One person consensus... =]

Not to act smart (it's not like me...), there are a lot of quench oils fast enough to fully harden thin sections of high carbon steels like 1070 through W1/W2. Every one of them will work well... Houghto-quench "G" (medium-fast) will fully quench 1/4" sections) as long as the oil temp. is "right" and a person isn't trying to push the steel's quenching temp. to minimum (information I got directly from Houghton).

Conoco
Zurn Oil
Fuchs
Huppert Industries
Park
Houghton
Others

Outfits re-branding quench oils... McMaster Carr, for one... and there are others... Brownell's "Tough Quench" is Houghto-quench "G"

Distributors of manufacturer's stuff... http://www.acculube.com/quench-oils.html (a midwest distributor of some Houghton products)

It would be really nice if there was easy access to fast and medium-fast quench oils. There simply isn't. The oil is going to cost real money and the shipping is going to be onerous, not to mention the initial "finding"... which for me, took both web searching and phone calling.

Early on in this thread Kevin lamented the costs.. they have changed a lot. I'm still thinking it's well worth paying for as opposed to going with canola oil, simply based on longevity. Like, how many times am I going to have to buy 2 - 3 gallons of canola oil because it rapidly oxidizes (relative to commercial quenchants)? http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/430/quench-oils

So you know, by and large, I've found it easy to have discussions with quench oil manufacturers tech. folks... even Park Metallurgical. About all of them were more than willing to tell me if/what oils they had were appropriate for 1070 through W1/W2... or O1, L6, etc. Person just needs to know a little about what to tell them... like: steel, section thickness, fully hardened... maybe some others I'm not having come to mind, but some one here is likely to point those out.

Mike
 
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I hope this thread is being kept alive as I hope to be making chef's knives from 01 soon, and would like to know what type of oil brings out the optimum from this steel.
 
Medium, TW...

Medium is like Houghto-quench "G" and Parks AAA.

It may be that McMaster-Carr's "11 second" oil is a Houghton oil nearly identical to "G". Seems I heard that but the memory of what I heard is too vague to swear to.

Kevin, do you recall Scott McKenzie saying that?

Mike
 
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After sending an e-mail to Acculube last night, I received a reply today from Mark Zimmer, territory manager, who suggested Parks AAA for 0-1. The cost for 5 gallons is $139.58. Shipping is roughly based on 5 gallons weighing approximately 50 lbs. should you decide to get an estimate prior to buying. His e-mail address is MZimmer@acculube.com, and he appears to be helpful. I'm calling some local jobbers today to see if there is any way to get it from them locally. Hope this helps.
 
twgray said:
After sending an e-mail to Acculube last night, I received a reply today from Mark Zimmer, territory manager, who suggested Parks AAA for 0-1.
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TW,

I didn't realize Acculube distributed Park Metallurgy oils. Did Mark Zimmer give you a list of other Park Oils Acculube has available?

I dug back into my saved links for info on Houghton quench oils... this link from SFI http://www.swordforum.com/forums/showthread.php?53085-Name-your-poison-commercial-quenchants./page2&highlight=quenching+oils See top of page two... Post #41... Scott Mckenzie. Scott is Houghton's metallurgist and quench oil specialist. Is (maybe, was) ASM chairman of quench board, poster on SFI and BS forums in metallurgy sub-forums... posting under name on SFI and as "kb0fhp" on BS (that's a zero, not an "O").

Some where, and I can't find it... likely SFI, though... Scott said Houghto-quench "G" will fully harden (through harden) 1/4" 1070 through W1/W2. A person has to have the oil at the right temp and needs to austenitize at the right temp... both pieces of data are very available directly from Houghton. That should serve for most knives and the advantage gained over fast oils (Houghto-quench "K" or Park #50) is less distortion.

I can tell you personally that an interrupted quench in the 3 to 5 second range with 1450F blade and 122F oil ("G") will not through harden 1/4" 1086 (.90 Mg ). (Top 1/3 of the blade had nice, but unwanted, "natural hamon".), but it produces no hamon near the top edge of the same thickness blade if left in the oil a more normal length of time. I also use "G" for both L6 and O1.

Mike

Edit: Should have noted the AccuLube list shows Houghto-quench 3440 that Scott Mckenzie says is the same as Houghto-quench "K" (in the SFI quench oil thread link).
 
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I just got a reply to a question I asked Scott McKenzie of Houghton International. Scott verified my memory, that McMaster-Carr "11 second" quench oil is very, very much like Houghto-quench "G" / Houghto-quench 3430... without saying that is exactly what it is.

My belief is, if I wanted Houghto-quench "G", I could buy McMaster-Carr's "11 second" quench oil and have it... that Scott is constrained from saying if it is or isn't... http://www.mcmaster.com/#quenching-oil/=hupszy It looks like the 5 gallon quantity ships out of New Jersey... don't know where the 1 gallon amount ships from... person could ask.

And a person could holler at Houghton and get data sheets on "G" to work from... ask questions about any other stuff, etc.

Mike
 
And I just got a UPS-ground shipping quote from McMaster-Carr on 5gal. of "11 second" oil from their warehouse in New Jersey to Lander, Wyo. 82520 (that's west-central Wyoming... no way not over 2000mi.)... $25

Mike
 
Mike Krall said:
I just got a reply to a question I asked Scott McKenzie of Houghton International. Scott verified my memory, that McMaster-Carr "11 second" quench oil is very, very much like Houghto-quench "G" / Houghto-quench 3430... without saying that is exactly what it is.

My belief is, if I wanted Houghto-quench "G", I could buy McMaster-Carr's "11 second" quench oil and have it... that Scott is constrained from saying if it is or isn't... http://www.mcmaster.com/#quenching-oil/=hupszy It looks like the 5 gallon quantity ships out of New Jersey... don't know where the 1 gallon amount ships from... person could ask.

And a person could holler at Houghton and get data sheets on "G" to work from... ask questions about any other stuff, etc.

Mike
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resurrecting this old thread out of much interest... Mike, this is interesting because the 11 seconds conflicts w/ Cashen's recommendation of 7-9 seconds. How have your results been?

Tracy, any updates on getting oil? I couldn't find any on your site...
 
7 - 9 second oil for which steels? Scott McKenzie says Houghto-Quench "G" will through harden 1/4" 10xx and W1/W2. I can't tell you it does because I don't quench those steels at that thickness, but there is no way Scott is wrong about that.

Years ago Kevin Cashen posted Park AAA at about that thickness had a natural hamon at the top edge (natural hamon equaling not through hardened). Houghto-Quench "G" is very slightly slower than Park AAA when new, but, through use Park AAA gets slower and ends up slower than "G" (read that as less stable). It might be a person would find Park AAA would not through harden 1/4" 10xx and W1/W2 after a lot of use.

I absolutely know "G" through hardens thick O1 and L6, and though it is technically "too fast" for 5160, 52100, 6150, it works just fine.

Mike
 
I have had the Maxim oil DT-48 which is there fastest quench (around 6-9 seconds I believe) for about a year now and have had great luck with it. From what I was told it was formulated to be comparable to Park's #50. Maxim sells both in 5 gallon buckets but I refused to buy from parks since they don't seem to want our business. Maxim was absolutely great to work with and I even spent about 30 minutes on the phone with one of their technicians discussing different steels and quench oils. Tracy, this might be a great addition to your store because there seems to always be a void here in the market. Just my $.02!
 
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