Tool suggestions.

coachcampana

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I've destroyed 3 folders this weekend, and all three times it was because I have been using cheap tap sets or drill bits.

Can anyone recommend what I should buy in these two categories? The harbor freight taps just aren't cutting it. I've learned my lesson on buying cheap tools.
 
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I would say pretty much anywhere except H.F. - Boss has a good selection, and the big boxes have a pretty good line but you get what you pay for. I like Mcmaster Carr because of the huge selection and fast shipping. On drill bits, I like the cobalt coated ones because am usually drilling some kind of tool steel which can eat a cheap bit in no time. On taps be sure to get high speed steel, cutting, lead style and use a good lube.
 
What are you tapping? If it's titanium, you drill bigger than the normal holes than the chart says. On Ti you're shooting for about 50% thread. If it's stainless, like 304, I think you are just going to break a few now and then. A lot of cheap taps, are mechanic's taps, really made for cleaning out existing threads. I've been buying the import brand at Enco and they've been pretty good for me. Of course, there also 3 kinds of taps for every thread, taper, pipe, and plug. I think technique and good lube are about as important as the quality of the tool. Just my 2 cents.
 
What are you tapping? If it's titanium, you drill bigger than the normal holes than the chart says. On Ti you're shooting for about 50% thread. If it's stainless, like 304, I think you are just going to break a few now and then. A lot of cheap taps, are mechanic's taps, really made for cleaning out existing threads. I've been buying the import brand at Enco and they've been pretty good for me. Of course, there also 3 kinds of taps for every thread, taper, pipe, and plug. I think technique and good lube are about as important as the quality of the tool. Just my 2 cents.
I'm tapping o-1 tool steel.
 
I'm only working on my second folder, so I'm not an expert, but I've been making things out of metal and tapping threads for a long time. If you get on Enco's mailing list, they'll email you discount codes like free shipping or 15% off, or both. I just wait patiently until I get an offer, then order 10 taps at once. I mainly use 2-56 screws and the first folder I made had an O1 blade and backspacer. I didn't have any trouble at all with the import Enco taps in O1. Now, I've also tried tapping some holes in a pocket knife kit that I won from Boss, and the stainless liners on it do not want to be tapped. I broke a tap on the first hole, but managed to tap two more after that ok.
 
for drill bits, i would use M35 or M42 high cobalt HSS, Norseman/Viking is a good made in USA brand. for taps, again HSS, either Morse or Norseman/Viking. i always use lots of cutting/tapping oil.
if you are hand tapping, it is definitely a "touch" operation, the tap will usually tell you before it breaks. drill and tap a bunch of holes in different sizes just to get the "feel".
 
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if you are hand tapping, it is definitely a "touch" operation, the tap will usually tell you before it breaks. drill and tap a bunch of holes in different sizes just to get the "feel".

A BIG Amen to that Scott!!! :) When I read that I was having "flashbacks" to my hand tapping days!



I have a tapping head attached to a 10" drill press, so my tooling needs are a bit different then if I were doin it by hand. Prior to the tapping head, when I was doing it all by hand, it was very common for me to break a couple of taps with each folder I built. I think in this case your issue(s) are two fold..... poor quality tooling, and the fact that its just plain difficult to hand tap with these small size taps and not break them.

That being said, the drill bits I use for folders are all made in USA cobalt and carbide bits. Its actually a bit of a challenge to find "made in USA" taps anymore, but when I can, I use that variety. Something else that came to mind when I read your post and saw the pic....is the 0-1 your using fully annealed stock, or is it "spherodized annealed"? The reason I ask, is because if your using it as it comes (without annealing it yourself), its very likely spherodized..... to put it bluntly, "spherodized" means it just "half way" annealed. What tipped me off is the photo you posted....that bulging around the outside of the hole, only comes from two reasons....the hole you drilled is not large enough for the tap your using, or the steel isn't fully annealed.

When working with the types of materials we do in knifemaking, you can't always follow the standard "guidelines" when drilling/tapping. For example, a 2-56 thread calls for a #50 drill bit on most charts....that info is intended for use "mild" steels. With harder/tougher materials, you need to slightly enlarge the hole to facilitate tapping. For example, in "knfe steels" for a cutting type tap, I use a #48 or #49 drill bit, depending on material thickness. For the same thread size in titanium, I use #48, 5/64", or a #47, depending on material thickness and the type of tap (I generally use thread forming taps in titanium)... Some folks might balk at that, thinking "I want to make sure I get "full" thread depth!" As with most anything in knifemaking its a trade-off......you can dig yoru heels in and insist on "full thread depth", and wreck a lot of tooling and parts.....or you can have SLIGHTLY less thread depth, that provides plenty of strength for the job, but bypass the broken tooling and wrecked parts. :)
 
Drilling and tapping problems are different. Tapping Ed covered.

Drilling
For metal, look for 135degree split point in Cobalt/M4. Use a punch to start your holes or they may wander, go crooked and snap. Low cost HSS bits go dull quick or tend to wallow out a hole in 3 lobes in stead of round. Most drill bits do this but cheap ones are more problematic. Drill slightly under size and ream to your target dimension. Your taps will work better. There is a remarkable difference in quality between imported and made in USA drills.

Cutting fluid helps and there is different kinds for different metals. Most of the time a "general" cutting fluid will work fine with the typical stainless and high carbon steels knife guys use.
Drilling feed and speed matters. Most of the time in knife making you can set your drill press to medium speed on the pulley's and be OK but it doesn't hurt to look up the recommended RPM for specific size drill bit and adjust your drill press.
Drill pressure (feed) is subject on a drill press but too light and you scrape and harden the material under the bit. Too hard and you heat things up and seize the bit in the hole but having too big of a bite. You want a steady chip curl (or chips/flakes depending on material). Most drilling problems happen just when the drill starts to break through. Ease up on pressure and grab your work with a steady grip to prevent it from moving.

Consider getting a Drill Doctor for drill sharpening. They work and will pay for themselves over time.

Tapping
I've been experimenting with different taps and fluids lately for tapping Ti. I've settled on a coated (Ti or proprietary "lube" coating) 3 flute spiral HSS tap. These are expensive but the difference is amazing. Use a sulfur based tapping fluid for Ti. If it squeaks, back up up. If it binds, back up and break the chip. Turn 3/4 turn, back up and break the chip, repeat. If you are doing it by hand with a T handle, consider getting a tap guide that goes into your drill press. You turn these by hand (no power tapping) and it keeps the tap straight.
 
Thanks for taking the time to type up all this information guys. Seriously. Learning from all of your experience is very much appreciated. I'll definitely get some better quality bits, reamers and go from there. I'll practice with the different sizes first for sure. I didn't think using the drill press would be better than doing the taping by hand. But am I understanding that you guys say taping with the drill press is the way to go?

Boss,I haven't looked yet, but if your site has a phone number for ordering, I'll be calling today sometime to place an order to make sure I'm purchasing exactly what I need.

Thanks again everyone.
 
Thanks for taking the time to type up all this information guys. Seriously. Learning from all of your experience is very much appreciated. I'll definitely get some better quality bits, reamers and go from there. I'll practice with the different sizes first for sure. I didn't think using the drill press would be better than doing the taping by hand. But am I understanding that you guys say taping with the drill press is the way to go?

Boss,I haven't looked yet, but if your site has a phone number for ordering, I'll be calling today sometime to place an order to make sure I'm purchasing exactly what I need.

Thanks again everyone.

yep, on the home page but it's 507-720-6063
 
Just called and spoke with Dustin for about ten minutes. He was a huge help. Lots of tips and information in that short amount of time. Thanks again.
 
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